Tracy sits down with the only (?) film/tv director to have a Barbie doll made in her image—Ava DuVernay, who talks about her new show Queen Sugar, living her dream, and learning how to say “no.” Plus, BuzzFeed beauty editor Essence Gant takes up the guest co-host chair and answers listener questions about skin and hair. Follow Ava at @AvaETC. Follow Essence at @TheEssenceOf_. Find Another Round merch at shop.buzzfeed.com. Subscribe to the Another Round newsletter at buzzfeed.com/anotherround/newsletter.