Hey kids, this interview isn’t for you. You should skip this one.

Ellen was struggling for money, working as a Subway “sandwich artist” (yes, that’s a real thing). So she decided to find a new job, and settled on one that allowed her to make over $30,000 for just a couple hours of work each week. One with emotional and moral consequences she didn’t fully anticipate.

Produced by Mooj Zadie, Brendan Baker, and Nick van der Kolk, with help from Mark Ristich, Sharon Mashihi, Rachel James, Matthew Kielty, and Lingling Yang.