On the latest episode of the Talkhouse Film Podcast, comedian Tim Heidecker sits down with Adam Curtis, the BBC filmmaker whose sprawling, epic political documentaries about have in recent years made him a cult figure. In a highly engaged conversation, the two discuss Curtis’ past making films about “talented animals,” tropes in current pop music (and how dull music in docs is), Donald Trump, how John Oliver and Jon Stewart contributed to Trump’s success, the power of storytelling in politics, and much more. For more filmmakers talking film and TV, visit Talkhouse Film at talkhouse.com/film.