The latest episode of the Talkhouse Podcast, recorded at Day for Night Festival in Houston, features Chelsea Manning and Pussy Riot’s Nadya Tolokno.

The program includes a talk by Manning on resisting “the data-driven society and the police state”; a conversation between her and Tolokno on their experiences in resistance, incarceration and prison reform; and a talk by Tolokno on bringing “punk feminism” to Russia and the problems with Putin. The two also share their views on how neighborhood communities have better answers than think tanks, the ways empathy can help make real change, and — powerfully — how political action can be more than voting.

Check it out, and subscribe now to stay in the loop on future episodes of the Talkhouse Podcast. —Elia Einhorn, Talkhouse Podcast host and producer @eliaeinhorn

This week’s episode is a collaboration with Day for Night Festival. It was recorded and co-produced by Mark Yoshizumi.