Joe Casey of Protomartyr and Andrew Savage of Parquet Courts are two of modern rock’s most intelligent, biting lyricists. The two friends and mutual admirers sat down earlier this year to talk about writing highly personal lyrics about people they love, how Tyvek are “the Michigan Talking Heads,” having ideas that are good in theory, and, in a followup to a piece Casey wrote for The Talkhouse, why they’d rather be compared to their peers than bands from the past.

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