Tbh, we didn’t mean to make our last episode before Christmas one that explores two fantastic singer-songwriters’ experiences growing up in very religious Christian homes and the effect it’s had on their art, but here we are — and it’s a damn fine talk!

David Bazan (Pedro the Lion) and Sarah Beth Tomberlin (Tomberlin) are big fans of each other’s music, and jumped at the chance to meet via a Talkhouse Podcast episode. They got on so well, they’ve decided to hit the road together throughout February! You can find those dates at Talkhouse.com and hopefully catch them in your city; in the meantime, enjoy this conversation that takes in Sarah Beth’s experiences at bible school; David’s assessment of the biggest lie of Christianity; and finding personal salvation in … the Beatles. Check it out.

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—Elia Einhorn, Talkhouse Podcast host and producer

Today’s episode was recorded by Joe Darnaby in Chicago, David Bazan at his home, and Mark Yoshizumi at Hook and Fade Studios in Brooklyn. Our co-producer is Mark Yoshizumi.

The Talkhouse Podcast’s theme song was composed and performed by The Range.