Singer/songwriter Pete Yorn knows how to pick collaborators — he’s worked with The Pixies’ Frank Black, Scarlett Johansson, and REM’s Peter Buck to name just a few greats. When he and Day Wave’s Jackson Phillips began making music together, Yorn knew he’d found the right co-pilot for a new musical undertaking.

To celebrate Yorn’s new LP Caretakers, co-produced by him and Phillips, the two sat down for a deep dive on the Talkhouse Podcast. They examine the benefits and drawbacks of a musical education; discuss the pluses and minuses of working in both small and big recording studio; and take in how hearing The Cure & The Smiths changed the course of Yorn’s life.

Check it out, and subscribe to the Talkhouse Podcast to catch upcoming episodes featuring Portugal. The Man with SNL’s Chris Redd and Fred Armisen, Lee Ranaldo (Sonic Youth) with Battles’ Ian Williams, and CHAI in convo with Varsity.

Today’s show was recorded in New York by Dan Arnes and Mark Yoshizumi. It was co-produced by Mark Yoshizumi.

The Talkhouse Podcast’s theme song was composed and performed by The Range.