Shamir and Porches’ Aaron Maine sat down backstage at Pitchfork Music Festival to talk Taylor Swift, songwriting, Taylor Swift again, and how both started with guitars but are known for their electronic sounds.

We recorded even more podcasts backstage at Pitchfork Music Fest, including Julia Holter and Broken Social Scene’s Kevin Drew, BJ the Chicago Kid and Mick Jenkins, Spencer Tweedy and Whitney, and last week’s episode with Brian Wilson and Carly Rae Jepsen and Kamasi Washington and Thundercat. Subscribe now on iTunes or Stitcher to stay in the loop!