Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton will square off in their first debate Monday night. It’s expected that millions will tune it to watch the debate on television. Television has been key in this campaign, since many Americans already knew one of the candidates from his television reality show.

But before Donald Trump did The Apprentice there was Hugo Chavez.

During his time in political power in Venezuela, he accumulated more than seven continuous months of on-air time. Every Sunday, Hugo Chavez appeared on a weekly show called Aló Presidente, where he’d do everything from performing to discussing current issues. The program had no time limit.

Political scientist Javier Corrales, author of Dragon in the Tropics: Hugo Chavez and the political economy of revolution in Venezuela, joins us to talk about how the two political leaders compare and whether it even makes sense to make these kinds of comparisons in the first place.