This week, we have a conversation about work, self-worth, and learning to be okay with doing just okay. Writer Amil Niazi wrote the essay “How the Pandemic Made Me Lose My Ambition” for The Cut. She explains why her “new dream is simply no goals, just vibes.”

Then, New York Times bestselling author Emma Straub tells us about her latest novel, This Time Tomorrow. Although the book has time travel in it, Emma says this is her most autobiographical writing yet. She tells us why she sees the novel as a tribute to her dad.