As Europe and the world closely watches parliamentary elections in the Netherlands, many political and cyber experts believe Russia is hacking elections across Europe and in the U.S.

As a result, the Dutch have abandoned computer software and went back to hand-counted paper ballots.

We talk about the results of Wednesday’s poll and the threat of election cyber-hacking across the world with Hugo Jonker, assistant professor of security and privacy at the School of Computer Science of the Open University of the Netherlands. He is also a visiting researcher at the Digital Security group of the Radboud University Nijmegen.