Mckesson joined Morning Shift to talk about the seminar and the evolution of digital organizing in Chicago. Here is some of what he had to say:
Q: What can your students expect in this seminar?
A: I’m excited to see the students at the University of Chicago challenge conceptions of organizing in the digital space. One of the beauties about the classroom is that it’s the last place in this America where the idea is still be important, where people can fight about ideas and not about personalities.
Q: What about those who argue that notions like trigger warnings compromise free speech in the classroom?
A: People politicize trigger warnings to suggest that we shouldn’t talk about complex things, and that’s not what it means. All across the country, I’ve seen people have really robust and complex conversations about race and identity and organizing. I’m hopeful the course I teach will also be one of those spaces.
Q: How can movements move from grassroots protests to creating institutional change?
A: People forget that slavery was really imaginative. It took a lot of imagination to say white people are just worth more, and we’re going to sell people as commodities. People aren’t as imaginative about solutions in this moment.
You say, ‘we could give every kid born in Chicago a library when they’re born, we could do home visits.’ And people are like, ‘That’s so wild, we could never do that.’
What do you mean we could never do that? We’ve done so much in this country that is wild in a negative sense, that we could actually do incredible things at scale that are positive.
Q: What does shape should police accountability reform take in Chicago?
A: The focus has to be on how do we think about systemic solutions — the police oversight commission, Kim Foxx’s nomination, or the clause in the police union contract that destroys discipline records after five years. I think people are pressing the right levers to pick at these pieces that will eventually, hopefully lead to some real structural change.
This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.