Cherie Caswell Dost talks with Gregory Dreicer at a mock coffee shop. It’s part of the Chicago Architecture Foundation’s Me, Myself and Infrastructure. Dreicer is the exhibition’s curator, and aims to expand the definition of infrastructure beyond buildings, bridges and beams.

Plus, David Plowden explains why his eyes light up when Dreicer says to “really look at your surroundings,” and why he often tells his photography students to put their cameras away.