Ever since his 1992 dark horse candidacy captured nearly 19% of the popular vote, there have been arguments over the real role of Ross Perot. Was he a spoiler candidate, stealing the election from Bush? Did he de-legitimize Clinton’s victory by keeping him from winning a majority of the popular vote? Was there anything to learn from Perot’s popularity, or was the unpredictable, charismatic, idiosyncratic billionaire just a fluke?

These are the questions our friends at FiveThirtyEight ponder in this week’s excellent documentary podcast, “Long Before Trump, There Was Ross Perot.” We like it and we think you will too.

We encourage you to check out all of FiveThirtyEight’s other podcasts--including their daily election series that will be putting out an episode—that’s right—every day until election day.