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The Long-Term Effect Of Wisconsin's Union Battles

The protests in Wisconsin between union members and mostly Republican state leaders are entering a third week. On Tuesday's Fresh Air, New York Times labor and workplace reporter Steve Greenhouse explains why other states with large budget deficits are also considering taking on public unions — and how the standoff between organized labor and Republican governors is likely to play out.

In Wisconsin, Republican Gov. Scott Walker has called for an increase in health care and pension contributions from state employees and strip nearly all collective bargaining rights for most state workers. Walker's efforts have stalled so far because 14 Democratic state senators have fled Madison, denying the body the quorum needed to enact Walker's proposals.

Similar proposals have been proposed in Ohio, Arizona and other states, that are watching what happens in Wisconsin closely.

"Out-of-staters on both sides really think this is an important fight. It has huge stakes for Republicans, for Democrats, for conservatives, for liberals, for union people [and] for business," Greenhouse tells Fresh Air's Dave Davies. "I think many people see that if Gov. Walker wins in this fight, it's going to weaken unions big time in Wisconsin and really hurt unions around the country.

"If the unions win in their fight against Gov. Walker, it will embolden unions to really step up the fight in Ohio and Indiana and other states and it will probably discourage governors and mayors in other states from trying to imitate Gov. Walker."

Steve Greenhouse, the labor and workplace reporter for The New York Times, has covered the events in Madison and union conflicts elsewhere. He's also author of the book The Big Squeeze: Tough Times for the American Worker. Copyright 2011 National Public Radio. To see more, visit

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